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Voting Medals

Discussion in 'Global Tournaments' started by Disaster Area, Jul 21, 2017.

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  1. Disaster Area

    Disaster Area Little Ball of Furr and Power Member

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    1) Should we keep or remove the ladder stars (for Cerulean and Dewford Cup)? Keep / Remove / Abstain
    2) Should players who achieve gold medals in master tournaments have any silver / bronze medals they have earnt though winning master tournaments removed, and similarly, should players who achieve silver medals in master tournaments have any bronze medals removed? Similarly for Seasons / Rankings. Yes / No / Abstain

    My vote:
    1) Remove
    2) Yes

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    The vote will be open for a week.
     
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  2. Peasounay

    Peasounay qui peut me stopper Host Emeritus

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    1) Remove
    2) Yes
     
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    1) Abstain
    2) Yes
     
  4. Diegolh

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    I've talk with peas about this since months now. (that's why, to concur with my point of vue I denied my silver medal in mt 33)
    1.Remove
    2.Yes

    That's always been obvious.
     
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    Remove
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  6. Eseque

    Eseque Host Emeritus

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    1) Keep
    2) No
     
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    Chrysalis scorpion Host Emeritus

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  8. Mister Tim

    Mister Tim The most handsome man on PP Host Emeritus

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    remove
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    why not to remake medal showing?
     
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    Remove
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  10. Ch01W0n5h1n

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    1) Remove them just if you can reward the highest 3 Placing Players (I mean Competitions with less Participating Players/Groups get Medals too. The Issue here are "too many rewards" for everyone, not the rewarding process per se)
    2) No
     
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    Keep (ladder stars represent an individual achievement)
    No (2nd and 3rd are accomplishments too)
     
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  13. Roostur

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    That is subjective though, whereas first place being an accomplishment isn't. I mean why stop at 3rd? Fourth could feel like an accomplishment to someone. If someone feels like getting second and third is an accomplishment to them then I wouldn't want to take their medals away. I'd like for them to keep them, but I personally don't take them as accomplishments for me so I wouldn't want them and would refuse them. It all depends on the person I guess, but that is why I voted to remove them because I think it being an accomplishment is subjective but it doesn't really matter to me.
     
  14. ThrashNinjax

    ThrashNinjax Lets take to the Skies Host Emeritus

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    Echoing GGFan's sentiments, plus have different gold / silver / bronze medals representing different master tournaments - so you can see how many tours a person has won / done well in from the medals
     
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    2nd and 3rd place in tournaments are also an achievement, it isn't subjective. To earn those placings you have to outperform the majority of the other partcipants. Whether or not you would be happy with not finishing in first is another matter altogether--one's contentment with how he/she placed doesn't dispute the legitimacy of 2nd and 3rd. Would you take away an Olympic gold medalist's silver medal? I'd hope not, and I imagine he/she wouldn't be happy to rescind it, either. While I certainly think that 4th place is an achievement, in most sports there is no acknowledgement for it beyond providing retrospectives of the player's career. I'm ok with there no being medals for 4th, and this is coming from somebody with more 4th place achievements than anybody else here (I have at least five 4th place finishes in seasons and have finished in 4th place of the Player Rankings multiple times).

    Just as you wouldn't be happy with placing in 2nd place of a tournament, I would rather have three consecutive top 3 finishes than win one tournament. Consistency means a lot more to me than winning something and subsequently going into a slump. The 2nd and 3rd place medals recognize that consistency.
     
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    1.Remove
    2.Yes

    Is there a system we could implement where if a person starts to have too many medals they automatically have limitations imposed? Or they can choose what medals get displayed? That'd be the easiest way around this problem. I guess it all depends on how flexible the forum software is =/
     
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  18. Disaster Area

    Disaster Area Little Ball of Furr and Power Member

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    The forum software is quite inflexible unfortunately. A player either has or hasn't got a medal, they cannot be given duplicates, and if they are given a medal it will show everywhere where that person's medals are shown.

    To be clear, my vote regarding the second question comes from my philosophy regarding the medals that we should show the best that someone has achieved, rather than everything that someone has achieved, at a glance. When you hover over someone's medals, someone who has a lot of medals, it can be difficult to figure out what that person has or hasn't achieved in a variety of metas at a glance. Although you can find out greater detail by going to their specific medals page and viewing the reasons / look at the appropriate season spreadsheet, you can't find it out at a surface level. Furthermore, just highlighting the best that someone has achieved is what we already do with Player Rankings, where players only get their highest achievement in the player rankings on their profile, even though they may have also achieved lower achievements. I don't think that the medal system is best suited to a displaying-all-achievements approach since we cannot award duplicates of a medal.

    So fundamentally the second question is one of, what do you think our medal system should be doing: should it be showing all of a person's achievements, inasmuch as it is possible at a glance, or should it only be highlighting their best achievements. There's no right or wrong answer as to which approach we should take; the medal system isn't best suited to the former approach, but that doesn't mean we can't choose to endeavor to make our approach follow that philosophy as stringently as possible.
     
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    1) Remove
    2) Yes
     
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    Yeah. I guess it just depends on what your goal is and what your realistic expectations are. If I got last in my last tournament and performed poorly, but then I got third in the next tournament, that would show a lot of improvement and I'd be proud that I improved so much and was that good now. But if I knew I had it in me to win the whole thing then I would be very disappointed with third. I got last in my first master tournament and was super disappointed because I knew I could have won the whole thing, I would have been just as disappointed if I got third personally. So, I just disagree about whether it is subjective or not. I personally wouldn't enter a tournament unless I thought I could win the whole thing. I aim for gold, and if I don't get it, I personally feel very disappointed. But this is obviously different for some people and that is okay.
     
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