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Random Let's play make that poke broken: rby gengar edition

Discussion in 'Chat' started by Captain obliviius, Aug 16, 2017.

  1. Captain obliviius

    Captain obliviius Who is in charge here? Member

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    Fun ways to improve gengar in rby.
    No more poison type. Useless in rby. Means No weakness to eq or psychic.

    Tauros no longer 2 hits it. Rhydon no longer one hits it.

    Zam star and eggs 3hko.

    Let's make night shade a base 100 ghost type move and remove the glitch where ghost doesn't effect psychics. It will hit super effectively now on zam, star, eggy, slowbro, hypno and the likes Hmmm. Now things are getting juicy.
    But now ghost type doesn't hurt normals. How would Tauros gengar matchup go down then?


    I think giving it glare would be sweet. Para on slowbro and eggs. Zam and star would out speed and twave... no good. and would no longer be switching into gar for fear of the newly buffed shade. So no switch read paras on them. Maybe glare wouldn't be so useful?

    So after all this how would the gengar now be played? No longer as a lead I'm sure but a powerful sweeper who would decimate the current meta in the end game. Only fearing strong phys attackers. Lax and Tauros prob 3hko w/ EQ and goldon 2hko.

    There now gengar is good and broken. Now that all that is out. Doing both changes would decimate rby ou I think. Zam star jynx eggy slowbro. Goldon is now 2hko by mega drain. 7 of 14 OU mons are now SOL. Cloy and laparas hurt bad by mega drain. Can't be blown up on like other soft targets.

    New Moveset.

    Night shade
    Megadrain/psychic--- no mas thunder bolt
    Explosion
    Hypnosis/glare

    So instead of making him broken I'll ask which change you would make. Would you rather keep night shade the way it is and lose psychic and ground weakness. Or keep weaknesses and gain super effective night shades with chance of crit? Which scenario would make the game more interesting?
     
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  2. Enigami

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    Poison-typing isn't ENTIRELY useless for Gengar, it does make it a complete block to any and all Grass types whose names don't start with Exe. But other than ruining Disaster Area's day, losing Poison-typing is a massive boon. Heck, Haunter could even see use in 1U if it lost Poison-typing and not Gengar.

    Kinda boring subject though, it is really easy to break Pokemon like Gengar. Now breaking an NFE or an unfortunate Poison or Fighting type, that'd be a challenge (provided you couldn't adjust BST or just remove their bad typings for FEs)
     
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    100 BP Night Shade 2HKOs GolDon, I think. You don't need Mega Drain. If it doesn't, it'll come awfully close.

    Hypnosis/Night Shade/Psychic/Explosion would be a good set. Psychic is your best attack against Tauros and Snorlax thanks to Special drops. Sleep, of course, is still useful, even with a broken Night Shade. Explosion is mainly for Chansey, who walls Gengar hard otherwise.
     
  4. Enigami

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    Gengar 100 BP Night Shade vs. Rhydon: 74-88 (17.9 - 21.3%) -- possible 5HKO

    Remember that Night Shade is a physical attack using Gengar's base 65 Attack rather than its 130 Special.
     
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    Oh, right. So much for that.

    Make it a Special attack if you really want to make it broken.
     
  6. Captain obliviius

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    True about razor leaf. My bad, and I see your point. Its really easy to break a Mon in rby, which I why I ask which change of the two would make the game more interesting. I don't think each one seperately would break him. I think the change to night shade would be more fun. And leave the weaknesses
     
  7. Captain obliviius

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    Still got mega drain for don though. And right again. Night shade would need to be changed to special. But leave the poison typing making it a glass cannon. Would shake up the meta a bit but not be broken I think
     
  8. Captain obliviius

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    I think changing shade to special and 100 bp while keeping poison type weaknesses would be the most fun and least broken change. Still gets ohko by goldon and 2hko by psychics and taurlax
     
  9. GGFan

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    Speaking of changing the BP of certain attacks, imagine if Dragon Rage also had 100 BP and was physical? The only OU Pokémon that avoids being 3HKOd on average is Slowbro, but that's not the big picture. What would really be significant is now being able to finish off Pokémon with less reliance on Wrap and no longer needing Hyper Beam, which would give it opportunities to go gung ho instead of spam Wrap. It also scares Gengar, who takes massive damage from it.
     
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    100 BP Physical Dragon Rage would actually be appreciated by a few other Pokemon too.

    For Aerodactyl, Dragon Rage is a massive improvement over Double-Edge because Dragon Rage has no resists and no recoil. Gengar and GolDon wouldn't be full stops to it anymore.

    For Arcanine, Dragon Rage keeps Omastar from completely stone walling it in 4U (only 5HKO though, so Omastar is still a counter).

    For Mew, it could see use on mono attacking SD sets since it provides complete neutral coverage in 1 move.

    For the Dragonite line, a new possibility is a Agility / Wrap / Dragon Rage / Thunder Wave set that lets them have their cake and eat it too, providing both AgiliWrap sweeping potential as well as paralysis utility.

    However, I don't see this breaking any Pokemon except Dragonair in 5U and maybe Aerodactyl in 3U. Dragonite having the option to run Dragon Rage only prevents it from Gengar being a huge block to it and potentially giving it the option to run Thunder Wave alongside AgiliWrap, making it more versatile and better overall (possibly actually becoming completely 1U worthy), but not broken by any means.
     
  11. Captain obliviius

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    Its a cool idea. But perhaps this is why body slam and drill Peck are 85 and 80. Tauros 3hko almost everything but has to rely on hyper beam and play mind games.
    So maybe dragon rage 85 bp?
     
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    Speaking of hyper beam. What if it had to recharge on a miss. I like it not recharging on a kill. If I am thinking like a child who is watching the cartoon. Hyper beam ko would be the end of that round. The opponent trainer would then send in the next challenger. But on a miss the pokes energy was just expelled but the fight is still on. So must recharge.
     
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    What does that have to do with breaking Pokemon? The thread's title should probably be changed to reflect that it's now a "What if" thread rather than 'let's break Pokemon' thread.

    Personally, I feel Hyper Beam misses are already obnoxious as is, I'd MUCH rather Hyper Beam had 100% accuracy and ignore the issue altogether. I'd be fine though with having to recharge if you HB into a Ghost with 100% accuracy, though that would also mean a 255 HB miss becomes absolutely heartbreaking.
     
  14. Captain obliviius

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    Enigami. About making a fighting type viable. Making karate chop an actual fighting type move for machamp. Would hit all the normals and rocks but still he walled by psychics. Could you see that going 1u.
     
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    Sorry..Title is a bit misleading. I wrote it only to get at the end question of which one would you pick. Hoping to start a good discussion.
     
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    I don't think Dragonite cares too much about making it physical. It's already got Wrap and Hyper Beam on the physical side; whacking Tauros/Cloy/Rhydon much harder is probably worth it IMO.
    It'd help a lot, as it would make Machamp actually beat Chansey, but it's still got a poor Special and no reliable recovery or status. Outskirts of 1U at best.
     

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