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RBY OU Exeggutor [Done]

Discussion in 'Analyses' started by Ortheore, Jul 8, 2015.

  1. Ortheore

    Ortheore Host Emeritus

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    Exeggutor[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
    Type: Grass/Psychic
    Stats: 95 | 95 | 85 | 125 | 55

    Exeggutor is one of the most common Pokemon in OU, and for good reason. It’s the most reliable Pokemon in the game at inflicting sleep thanks to Sleep Powder, excellent bulk, and a typing that provides invaluable resistances to Ground, Psychic, Electric, and Water. These traits also allow it to serve as the premier check to Golem and Rhydon while also being an excellent response to other physical attackers. Explosion is yet another valuable tool in its arsenal, allowing it to take down particularly dangerous threats or smash a troublesome wall. However, perhaps the biggest drawback to Exeggutor is that it can sometimes struggle offensively; STAB Psychic isn’t nearly as threatening when it’s not complemented by recovery. Nonetheless, it’s a top-tier Pokemon in RBY and earns a place on almost all teams.

    Tank

    Exeggutor
    - Sleep Powder
    - Psychic
    - Explosion
    - Stun Spore / Double-Edge

    Sleep Powder is an excellent move, given its decent accuracy and how amazingly effective sleep is in RBY. Psychic is the STAB move of choice and Exeggutor's best attacking option. Explosion is incredibly useful both as a means of taking down threats and breaking walls. Stun Spore is an excellent choice for the fourth slot, allowing Exeggutor to paralyse the likes of Chansey, Starmie, and Alakazam, as well as any physical attacker that decides to stay in on it. Double-Edge on the other hand enables Exeggutor to hit paralysed Alakazam and Jynx for decent damage, which is especially significant because it's quite common for them to try to block Exeggutor's sleep.

    Other Options

    Mega Drain is an option for its ability to dissuade Starmie from switching in and because the recovery is surprisingly significant, notably allowing Exeggutor to take an extra Seismic Toss from Alakazam. Hyper Beam is a decent choice, potentially allowing Exeggutor to nab surprise KOs on Chansey, Jynx, and Alakazam. Egg Bomb functions similarly to Double-Edge but lacks recoil, making it better against Chansey, however Exeggutor still isn't a huge threat to Chansey, while the move's poor accuracy greatly limits its utility. A set consisting of Stun Spore/Leech Seed/Rest/Psychic is notable for being able to stall out Chansey, but it forgoes Exeggutor's best options, is offensively impotent and is arguably totally unviable. In a similar vein, using dual powders alongside Rest and Psychic is possible but mediocre.

    Checks and Counters

    Chansey and Starmie can tank Psychic with ease and retaliate with Ice-type attacks. Alakazam also takes little from Psychic and has recovery, but if it lacks Seismic Toss, it will use a lot of Psychic PP, wearing down Exeggutor. All three have their drawbacks. Chansey is slower, while, if paralysed, Starmie and Alakazam are threatened by Mega Drain and mixed variants, respectively. Jynx is a formidable response to Exeggutor, resisting Psychic and firing off potent STAB Blizzards, effectively deterring Exeggutor from switching in early-game. Articuno has excellent special bulk and Ice-type attacks. Lapras and Zapdos can both beat Exeggutor, but they don’t really want to take Psychic or Stun Spore. If Exeggutor lacks Stun Spore, Dragonite can use it as setup fodder. Slowbro can also attempt to set up, but it’s a prime target for Explosion as well as being pressured by Mega Drain. Lastly, if any of Exeggutor's checks also happen to be sleep fodder, they can often be used to stop Exeggutor's Explosion from hitting more valuable targets.
     
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  2. Disaster Area

    Disaster Area Little Ball of Furr and Power Member

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    I personally feel that Hyper Beam is really the next-best option. It struggles most imo as a mid to late-game sleeper, as mono-Psychic coverage is easy to wall unless it gets lucky, and it helps it break past Jynx and Zam, or possibly Chansey if we're talking later-game. I feel when you can't get sleep with it then it's like just a worse alakazam but with explosion - which is only really good if you're running lots of shit that hates Chansey etc (think Starmie, Alakazam, or maybe Lapras?) and thus imo it fits in the most with the variety of possible RBY strategies, i.e. it's Eggy's most versatile option.

    That being said the last 5 teams I made don't even have eggy cos it kinda sucks (easy to wall difficult to use and keep the status advantage the whole time frail enough to be easy to wear down without it doing much and its explosion isn't always that vital) so imo having hyper beam (or maybe double edge or egg bomb) in the slot allows it to play on a greater variety of teams since it now works on a greater variety of status strategies having it as an option. MD sucks but I see why it was used in old meta, that moveslot is just too damn valuable now though. Also I guess this is a post saying I think it should move down to A xD

    I'd say the leech set should be described as more being unsuitable for the current metagame since it's too slow-paced and forces you to have a different approach to sleeping, but it can work versus certain players and teams.
     
  3. Sobi

    Sobi hi Member

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    Don't stop me now I'm having such a good time
    I'm having a ball
    [​IMG]GP 1/1
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    Exeggutor is one of the most common Pokemon in OU, and for good reason. It’s the most reliable Pokemon in the game at inflicting sleep thanks to Sleep Powder, excellent bulk, and a typing that provides invaluable resistances to Ground, Psychic, Electric, and Water. These traits also allow it to serve as the premier check to Golem and Rhydon while also being an excellent response to other physical attackers. Explosion is yet another valuable tool in its arsenal, allowing it to take down particularly dangerous threats or smash a troublesome wall. However, perhaps the biggest drawback to Exeggutor is that it can sometimes struggle offensively; STAB Psychic isn’t nearly as threatening when it’s not complemented by recovery. Nonetheless, it’s a top-tier Pokemon in RBY and earns a place on almost all teams.

    Tank

    Exeggutor
    - Sleep Powder
    - Psychic
    - Explosion
    - Stun Spore

    Sleep Powder is an excellent move, given its decent accuracy and how amazingly effective sleep is in RBY. Psychic is the STAB move of choice and Exeggutor's best attacking option. Explosion is incredibly useful both as a means of taking down threats and breaking walls. Stun Spore is an excellent choice for the fourth slot, allowing Exeggutor to paralyse the likes of Chansey, Starmie, and Alakazam, as well as any physical attacker that decides to stay in on it. Mega Drain is an option for its ability to dissuade Starmie from switching in and because the recovery is surprisingly significant, notably allowing Exeggutor to take an extra Seismic Toss from Alakazam.

    Other Options

    Egg Bomb allows Exeggutor to pressure Chansey and Alakazam as well as chipping away at Jynx; however, its relatively poor accuracy is discouraging. Double-Edge functions similarly and is much more reliable, although the recoil it inflicts is painful and makes it practically unusable versus Chansey. Hyper Beam is a decent choice, potentially allowing Exeggutor to nab surprise KOs on Chansey, Jynx, and Alakazam. Leech Seed is usable, with the best set for it being Psychic / Stun Spore / Leech Seed / Rest, though this is not recommended for newer players. In a similar vein, using dual powders alongside Rest and Psychic is possible but mediocre.

    Checks and Counters

    Chansey and Starmie can tank Psychic with ease and retaliate with Ice-type attacks. Alakazam also takes little from Psychic and has recovery, but if it lacks Seismic Toss, it will use a lot of Psychic PP, wearing down Exeggutor. All three have their drawbacks. Chansey is slower, while, if paralysed, Starmie and Alakazam are threatened by Mega Drain and mixed variants, respectively. Jynx is a formidable response to Exeggutor, resisting Psychic and firing off potent STAB Blizzards, effectively deterring Exeggutor from switching in early-game. Articuno has excellent special bulk and Ice-type attacks. Lapras and Zapdos can both beat Exeggutor, but they don’t really want to take Psychic or Stun Spore. If Exeggutor lacks Stun Spore, Dragonite can use it as setup fodder. Slowbro can also attempt to set up, but it’s a prime target for Explosion as well as being pressured by Mega Drain. Lastly, if any of Exeggutor's checks also happen to be sleep fodder, they can often be used to stop Exeggutor's Explosion from hitting more valuable targets.
    mark this as done after you have implemented this check
     
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  4. Sobi

    Sobi hi Member

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    Ortheore
    please implement the gp check
     
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    Done, although I moved a sentence from set details to OO because it was a little out of place (Mega Drain)
     
  6. Sobi

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    super.

    change title to "done" please
     
  7. TuffHunter

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    Considering Egg Bomb missing=0 damage and trust me with 75% accuracy it happens quite often it is much worse than Hyper Beam.

    But overall I agree that all Eggie does is seem to force a lot of switching, maybe gets off a Paralyze but rarely gets a sleep and then ends up Exploding on hopefully not a Golem switch in. I've actually dropped him from my team and have been 16-3 since.
     
  8. Disaster Area

    Disaster Area Little Ball of Furr and Power Member

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    unless that's in tours that doesn't mean much. Enigami went 23-0 with porygon on ladder lately for example.
     
  9. TuffHunter

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    Fair enough. How much use did this porygon get? o_O
     
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  10. Enigami

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    Not sure exactly what you mean. My alt Cancerduck has over 1500 points and 84% GXE and had a 23-0 winning streak while using only Porygon teams.

    I've also used Porygon in a couple tournament battles and won the rounds I brought Porygon.

    But otherwise, I think I'm the only one who has used Porygon seriously, though that could change since I only just recently discovered how to use Porygon to make it useful.

    Edit: You can find the current rendition of my Porygon team here if you were interested: All Gens - Enigimmick Teams | Pokémon Perfect
     
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  11. peach_nair

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    I noticed that the Leech Seed set is "not recommended for newer players". I tried it for the first time tonight, on an otherwise very standard team (shown below) and got a lot of mileage out of this Exeggutor set vs Slowbro, Snorlax, and Alakazam. Is it worth discussing further? Even if it doesn't get added to the analysis, I'm interested in learning more about how to use this set, as it seems difficult for some teams to take down.


    Jynx
    Ability: Oblivious
    - Blizzard
    - Lovely Kiss
    - Psychic
    - Rest

    Exeggutor
    Ability: Chlorophyll
    - Rest
    - Leech Seed
    - Psychic
    - Stun Spore

    Chansey
    Ability: Natural Cure
    - Ice Beam
    - Soft-Boiled
    - Thunderbolt
    - Thunder Wave

    Snorlax
    Ability: Immunity
    - Body Slam
    - Earthquake
    - Hyper Beam
    - Self-Destruct

    Tauros
    Ability: Intimidate
    - Blizzard
    - Body Slam
    - Earthquake
    - Hyper Beam

    Starmie
    Ability: Illuminate
    - Blizzard
    - Recover
    - Thunderbolt
    - Thunder Wave
     
  12. Disaster Area

    Disaster Area Little Ball of Furr and Power Member

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    Well, those are mons it works great versus but besides snorlax you don't see them every game.

    There's 2 Exeggutor analyses; I included that set in my analysis and discussed it further.
     
  13. Lusch

    Lusch A critical hit! Member

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    Definitely slash Double Edge with Stun Spore. I know there are two Exeggutor analysis on here. The second one slashes Mega Drain and Hyper Beam with Stun Spore (which is fine), but Double Edge should definitely get priority over both other options. I don't think i need to expmain it, everyone who plays current RBY should know... Just update this (and possibly the other Eggy analysis) accordingly, please.
     
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  14. Ortheore

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    Holy shit I can't believe I haven't already implemented that rofl. I'll jump on it now

    edit: also I mentioned Egg Bomb before Hyper Beam lol. Swapped that so now HB is before Egg Bomb
     
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