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Event CALLOUS Invitational Tournament 3

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    Player Interview - Hclat

    Dizno-
    You played in SPL last year. How does this tournament compare to it in terms of importance to you?

    Hclat- "Played" is a generous description for what I did in SPL. I mainly sat around the teamchat with triangles and pdc, bouncing ideas off of dice and zf that they didn't really use. I did get in for one adv game, in which I nobly saved Kevin Garrett from an 0-6 record, and a game of dpp, where I focused more on trolling the gamechat than deciding my moves. On the other hand, Callous cup kind of brings together a bunch of elements of pokemon that make it really fun to play: Firstly, it's been said a million times, but the field is stacked, and being guaranteed at least 4 games against elite competition is a privilege in itself. Secondly, numerous users (Callous moreso than anyone else) have dedicated resources—time, energy, money—to giving the tournament visibility and hype. The video coverage and prize pool separate the tour from others, along with its exclusivity. Finally, I like how the tour is bo3/5, making room for risky team choices and room for adaptation, while lessening the impacts of matchup and hax. So in summary, I'm more excited for this tour than I have been for any other pokemon event before.

    Dizno- You are notorious for using unmons and unsets on both ladder and in tours. What can we expect to see from you this time around?

    Hclat- There's a pretty clear distinction in my mind between pure meme mons/sets, and non-standard ones that, in part due to their novelty, offer high upside or can cause opponents to misstep. I'll rule out mons like the pikachu, zangoose, and geodude i brought in this past PPL, but pretty much anything else I've used (except quick claw, RIP) is on the table.

    Dizno- Some of the real legends of the tier are present for this tournament. Will your approach to the game change because of this? If so, how? If not, why not?

    Hclat- Nah. I think that a good mental approach to competition in general focuses on one's own play moreso than opponents. Further, I think it can be scary for heavily-favored legends of the tier to go up against a loose cannon like myself, who couldn't care less how many spl wins someone has. No matter if I'm playing camerupt98 or astamatitos, their zapdos is still gonna die to rock slide. (All due respect to the goats of the tier and thank you for what y'all have taught me)

    Dizno- Any predictions as to who will shine this year in Callous Cup?

    Hclat- This is kind of a hard question, just due to the quality and depth of the field. (Other than myself of course) It's always hard to bet against BKC, Asta, and Undisputed, while the young guns like marcop, linear, and sunny are always threatening. I think if I had to put money down, though, the smart money is on linear.

    Dizno- Finally, there is a large population of ladder players rooting for you to go far, have you got any special words for them?

    Hclat- It’s cool to kinda have the role of ladder hero for this tour, especially since the previous ladder heroes, like linear, ud, and dan have either become less active or developed a history of undermining tournament integrity (I won’t say which has done which.) I try to make myself accessible to people on ladder who may not have connections with the elites of smogon, and in turn, it’s awesome and motivating to know there’s a group of people rooting for me to succeed.

     
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    CALLOUS- Congratulations on playing into the main event! For my largely ADV based audience, what can you tell us about yourself and your competitive Pokemon accomplishments?

    CHARMFLASH- I've been playing competitive Pokemon casually for about 5 years. I was usually spending very few hours weekly on the ladder, doing various other things while playing and I've also had breaks that lasted for months. It was only about two years ago that I started seriously trying to get into the tournament scene and frequenting smogon. The first official smogon tournament I joined (bar a few random smogon tour weeks) was OST where I reached the semifinals, losing to SoulWind in a nail-biter. Since then I've been on the radar for team tournaments like SSD and SPL. SPL X has been the real break-through for me, since I managed to achieve a record of 7-3 (the 2nd best SM OU record) despite being ranked dead last in the power rankings.

    CALLOUS- What made you have an interest in ADV in general and in trying to play in to this tournament?

    CHARMFLASH- It was honestly a mix of getting burned out playing ORAS / SM OU exclusively and my regret of being unable to considerably help out my teammates outside of SM OU during SPL X. I was also already quite interested in GSC OU due to me learning that gen to fill in for Team Austria and finding out that I really enjoy the slower methodical pace. During SPL X I've played hundreds of GSC OU games with Fear so he can test teams but also because playing such a great sparring partner in a tier I really enjoyed was just insanely fun. After SPL I've tried looking a bit into BW/DPP/ADV (since I was already able to understand RBY to some degree) and I've participated in UU/RU/NU/PU PL also, doing pretty well in the ones I was frequently able to start in (7-3 UU 5-3 RU). What I'm getting at is I'm just trying to learn all lower tiers and old gens so I can become a formidable teammate during team tournaments as well as a stronger Pokemon player overall.

    CALLOUS- How do you expect to do in this tournament?

    CHARMFLASH- I dont really like setting an upper bar, I am aiming for the win and see how far I can actually go. I'm aware that I'm a huge underdog, there are a ton of insanely strong people who also main ADV in this tournament and I'm honestly looking forward to facing them, but if I survive the first few rounds and get a bit more practice in this tier I am confident that I can potentially win against anyone.

    CALLOUS- Do you build at all in ADV? If not, how do you plan to overcome that obstacle?

    CHARMFLASH- I actually built one of the teams I used so far, it was the Meta/Jolt/Cloy/Lax/Tar/Gar offense I used in g1 vs. Sadlysius. It may very well have been done before, but I wouldnt know, its simply something I built myself since I wanted to use the Jolt+Cloyster core as well as Lax as the special sponge. Besides that, at least for now, I've been picking teams that have mons/cores/structures I like the look of from the tons of teams my friends have been so kind to share them with me. Those friends of mine are pretty good at ADV so I'll probably be fine in that regard no matter how much I decide to build myself, but I'm insanely picky when it comes to teams and have been building for myself in pretty much any tier I touch once I feel comfortable so we'll see.

    CALLOUS- Anything else you’d like to say?

    CHARMFLASH- I'd like to thank you for giving me the oppertunity to participate in play-ins and I'm looking forward to be playing some quality Pokemon against the very best in a skillful tier I've just recently discovered. I quite dislike the absence of Choice Scarf in a tier that unlike GSC doesn't have 252 EV's in every bulk stat no matter the Pokemon but the speed boosting threats are reasonably manageable and I really like all the other aspects of this tier such as the Spikes wars, PP management and powerful booms, it really rewards good play. Can't wait for the tournament to start :)
     
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    CALLOUS- For a lot of people outside of the ADV circle you may be someone our audience is not familiar with. What can you tell us about yourself?

    LYCOMEDES- I started off playing Ruby/FireRed and making some teams I brought to local tournaments. I remember DDMence, DDGyara, and Breloom were my favorite mons. I discovered Netbattle in 2004 (I was 11 at the time) and was quite active there, though I wasn't involved in the tournament scene. After Netbattle died I quit for a while. In early 2018 I discovered Showdown and took up ADV again. I never got into any non-ADV gen.

    CALLOUS- Within the ADV circle, however, you’re most definitely one of the fan favorites in this tournament. Why do you think that is and how do you plan to make the fans happy?

    LYCOMEDES- Shortly after entering the tournament circuit I delivered some strong results in PPL and Mossdeep Cup, and my series against dice in the last Callous Invitational was quite popular. I'm known for some unorthodox teams and playstyles, along with wielding SkarmBliss variants competently. Some of my games in the last Callous Invitational were uninspired and uninspiring. I hope to bring well thought out and creative teams and gameplans this time. That's what makes this game enjoyable.

    CALLOUS- What’s the strongest part of your ADV game? What is the X factor that gives you the edge against some of the huge names in this tour?

    LYCOMEDES- I've learned a lot from extensive building and testing on Netbattle and Showdown, along with playing and observing tournaments, so I have the knowledge needed to bring out unconvential strategies that might break (or counter) established patterns in the tour metagame. I'm mostly known for offensive teams that aim to run through standard defensive cores, but I can mix up my playstyle. I'm confident in my ability to identify a path to victory in almost any matchup, and take the lead.

    CALLOUS- Any predictions regarding players, other than yourself, that you expect to make a deep run?

    LYCOMEDES- Asta and Linear are both very talented and have a wealth of experience with a variety of playstyles. Watch out for Fear as well; though he's not known as an ADV main he's an intelligent player who makes solid team choices and reads.

    CALLOUS- Anything else you’d like to say?

    LYCOMEDES- Thanks to Callous for returning to the scene with another Invitational. I view this as the most prestigious event in ADV. If you win this tour, you're the best of the best. I'm hoping for some good matches.
     
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    CALLOUS- Congratulations on playing into the main event! For my largely ADV based audience, what can you tell us about yourself and your competitive Pokemon accomplishments?

    ZOMOG- Well first, thank you for the opportunity to let me play in a qualifier for this tournament! I have not made any name for myself in adv yet and the only "tour experience" I could even say I have is from playing two seasons of ROAPL on Smogon. I am much more known as a current gen OU main over on Smogon, and I just recently won world cup with my team as well as Smogon Tournament #26. I've been playing this game since about 2013 and I've always had a slight fascination with the older gens but never really felt an opportunity to get into playing them.

    CALLOUS- What made you have an interest in ADV in general and in trying to play in to this tournament?

    ZOMOG- To be frank, above any interest in specific tiers, I am really just here to be a competitor. I love all aspects of competition and something like an ADV tour is just a new mountain to try climbing. Once I realized it'd be possible to get myself a slot in the tournament, I started practicing with my mainer friends and laddering a bit to get more familiar with the tier than I already was.

    CALLOUS- How do you expect to do in this tournament?

    ZOMOG- I think I will win my R1 game and then be knocked into losers in R2. I hope I'm wrong though. I would say that, since I am new to the tier, I often struggle in the long-game matchups that come frequently in games from this generation, and I wouldn't be surprised if my opponents begin to exploit that weakness.

    CALLOUS- Do you build at all in ADV? If not, how do you plan to overcome that obstacle?

    ZOMOG- I do! But for the most part, I primarily piggy-back ideas off a couple friends of mine also in the tournament and rehash other teams I see from replays. I generally avoid starting from scratch in tiers I don't have a plethora of knowledge in. I think that it won't be a disadvantage.

    CALLOUS- Anything else you’d like to say?

    ZOMOG- I am just happy to have a chance to show that I am a great player regardless of tier, and I hope I put on some good performances!
     
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    CALLOUS- You’re known as a very versatile player who has had success in a number of tiers, notably ORAS, LC and of course this tournament last year. These days, what interests you in Pokemon and what are you putting your time into?

    STARMASTER- I’ve mostly been playing SM, ORAS and ADV (OU) recently. These are probably the tiers I enjoy and play the most in tours. SM for the upcoming snake, ORAS in wcop and ADV is probably just my favorite tier competitively and I’m looking forward to having fun in this tour. I also fucking love the ou blitz ladder too and that’s been a lot of fun and a very cool addition.

    CALLOUS- You have a known, and admitted to, history of ghosting in tournament play and you were tour banned on Smogon for a time. What would you say to players who perhaps have a bit of a stigma towards you because of this?

    STARMASTER- I don’t really particularly care if people have a stigma since I’ve never cared about public perception in a place like this. Ghosting in a lot of situations is less about the competitive advantage and more about it just being really fun to fuck around and play in call. It’s also a lot more prevalent than people think it is (especially in team tours where we’ve seen some very obvious cases as recently as wcop) but most people just don’t get turned in.

    CALLOUS- You made money in this tournament last year. How are you going to do it again?

    STARMASTER- Well there’s no secret really. Last year I just focused on being diverse with my team choices to avoid being counterteamed and what not and obviously tried to play as well as I could. I’m big on testing stuff to get a feel for it before using it in a game and that definitely helps me too. So yea, just trying to build good varied stuff and play as well as I can.

    CALLOUS- Any predictions for players, other than yourself, who you expect to make a deep run?

    STARMASTER- A lot of players in this field have the potential to go far ofc but I’d say the favorites probably have to be Linear, Asta and Roro.

    CALLOUS- Anything else you’d like to say?

    STARMASTER- Nothing in particular. Thanks to you for hosting again and to everyone who donated to the event.


     
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    RULING REGARDING GOLDEN SUN/HCLAT G3 TIE CONTROVERSY

    In game three of their round 1 set Golden Sun and Hclat came to a late game situation over 100 turns into the game where both players felt their best play- the play that has the highest percentage chance to result in them not losing- was to switch out on any given turn, and therefore Hclat offered a tie and to play a Game 4 and Golden Sun accepted. They did indeed proceed to play a fourth game and there was a winner, but unless I were viewing this as a bribery/collusion type of situation, which I currently have absolutely zero evidence or reason to believe, the result of this fourth game is irrelevant. The question is whether or not this Game 3 mutually agreed upon tie should be allowed to stand and what specifically should have happened in that situation.


    First of all it should be noted that for this specific tournament I did not have a written out rule prior to this match regarding exactly what should happen or what is or is not allowed in this kind of situation. This was intentional, not an oversight, because it is my belief that these things MUST be handled on a case by case basis by default because it is impossible to define and enforce any kind of concrete rule. Even if, for example, I were to write a very straightforward rule such as “Ties are not allowed in any match for any reason. All games MUST be played out to completion”, while the rule is certainly simple enough to understand, the problem lies with its enforcement. If we encounter a situation like this one where both players genuinely believe- whether they’re right or whether they’re wrong- that their best course of action is to switch on every turn, even if I were to tell them to continue playing for the next five hours if both players refuse to do anything other than switch this will still not result in a resolution. To break this, I’d have to step in and force the players to make certain moves, which is an extremely slippery slope I’m simply not comfortable going down.


    In this specific situation a proper resolution to the game **was** possible. This situation was not an unavoidable draw. There were paths either player could have taken- though those paths required taking risks- that could have resulted in that player’s victory. Here’s the problem- if both players felt they had routes- I’ll choose to call them 25% chance to win and 75% chance to lose lines of play for simplicity’s sake- whereas simply switching continuously is very safe and it makes your OPPONENT gamble on the 25/75 instead of you, it is reasonable that both players would want to make the safer play and make their opponent take the unfavorable risk instead of them. This goes back to the problem mentioned in the previous paragraph- if neither player thinks it’s in their best interest to take the risk, and if I’m not going to step in and force either player to do so, which I do not think is fair, what should happen? In this specific instance I feel the draw was a bit premature and I would have liked to have seen the game play out a little longer. However, this does not get around the issue where even if i had told them “You must play this out for 100 more turns” if they’re both going to do nothing but switch that wouldn’t actually solve anything.


    At the end of the day while I quite dislike situations like this and while I’d strongly prefer players do everything they can within reason to play out matches to a proper end, in this particular instance for all of the following reasons- I have no reason to believe any bribery or collusion was in play here, the draw was mutually agreed upon with absolutely zero pushing, arguing or resistance, the fact that no written rule as to what to do in this situation was in place and the fact that both players can make arguments that I deem reasonable as to why they believed switching as opposed to making a high risk/high reward play in an attempt to win the game was in their best interest- no penalties will be imposed upon either player, the result will stand and the winner of the fourth game, who I’m not naming for spoiler reasons, will win the set “2–1”.
     
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